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Tea Parties are about taxation and government corruption; why would people here support the ‘FairTax’, another bailout plan for our criminal Congress? In almost four weeks, nobody here has yet explained why any law-abiding Nontaxpayer should want it or how it will reduce federal government. Can YOU defend the Tax Fairy?

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  • Andy,

    Thank you for the (”almost incoherent”) ramblings, none of which compare or contrast Tax Honesty with the FairyTax. Secondly, you admit to still being ignorant of Tax Honesty since you say at the end of your post that you’ll go read (scan? skim?) the Tax Honesty Primer, AFTER supposedly engaging me on the subject.

    You also posit that a revenue-neutral proposition is ”less terrible” than what you now live with. I never suggested otherwise; it WILL be less terrible, for those of you who are still Taxpayers — either through ignorance and terror, or through ignorance alone, or through terror alone. But a national sales tax will be much more terrible for us, the 67 million non-filers and law-abiding Nontaxpayers who have done our homework and now live lawfully and free.

    Perform your due diligence, as I did on the FairyTax almost a decade ago, when I thought it was a good idea. Read the Tax Honesty Primer (Google that phrase and you’ll get there) and THEN come try to defend the FairyTax. Believe me, in the minds of us 67 million non-filers and law-abiding Nontaxpayers, you cannot convince us that spreading Congress’ $3.6 trillion Pork skimming scam across to all Americans who buy things…is a GOOD idea.

    Lazy, terrorized citizens are essentially asking the more diligent, less fearful citizens to help you carry the load you now carry: a big, fat, corrupt porkulus Congress that takes in approximately FIVE TIMES the revenues required to pay for all lawful functions of the federal government.

    Yes, Andy: the Congress should be getting about $650-900 billion per year, maximum. Instead, it is sucking in $3,600,000,000,000 each year. You want it to keep doing that, but now for the 67 million of us who are no longer stuck on stupid, to join you who are still filing, still oblivious to the Tax Code, and still scared sh*%less of your employees in government.

    This is not simply unfair, Andy; it is terribly destructive economically…worst of all, high crime should not be supported any longer, no matter WHAT nametag they put on it. The federal government is engaged in thousands — literally — of powers, regulations, offices, programs, projects, and perquisites that are illegal for it to engage in. It will CONTINUE to do all these illegal things as long as millions of terrorised, inert citizens keep filling in blanks and signing promissory notes under penalty of perjury, without the least knowledge of the law that supposedly makes them liable for doing so.

    Crime is not a good thing to support, Andy. A federal pork-bag five times the lawful size, is not a good thing to keep continually re-filling, no matter how good it makes you feel that maybe the terrorists will leave you alone tomorrow if you do what they want. The next week, they’ll up the price…and then up it again…and again…and again. Ask any European who has lived under a national sales tax and value-added tax schemes.

    For that matter, just read the story of the American Revolution.

    In short, the Tax Fairy must die.

  • On the Fair Tax

    Mr Zuniga,

    I wish to address your statement on the Fair Tax, not because I expect to change your mind, but to provide a contrast to your, at times incoherent and rambling post. I reply to with this rebuttal, not to discredit you, but make clear the purpose and benefits of the Fair Tax.

    “There are perhaps 160 members on the FairTax site, and only 106 on this site, as of today. That hardly means that the FairyTax is a good idea.”

    Good ideas are not always popular. Transversely popular ideas are not always good. Has anyone offered you free healthcare lately?

    “Out of the estimated 67 million non-filers in America, the tens of millions of us who are law-abiding Nontaxpayers already treat April 15th as just another day on the calendar. We already keep 100% of what we earn. Why would we want a 30-35% sales tax on everything we buy?”

    The Fair Tax bill does not add an additional 30-35% on top of the cost of goods, it transfers existing taxes to the point of purchase and the cost remains virtually the same (within 1-2%).

    Example:
    A DVD player costing $100 today has approximately $22 of tax built into the price of the DVD player. There is corporate tax paid by the company making the player; sales tax on the components purchased to make the device; payroll taxes on anyone involved in making the product, including marketing, shipping and manufacturing. On top of that each company has to hire a team of tax accountants to comply with the dictatorial tax code. The cost of running this non producing arm of the manufacturing company is also built into the final price of the product.

    Under the Fair Tax that DVD player may only cost $78, with the proposed 22% sales tax (or 28% if you calculate the tax on the base price or the final price) would bring the cost back to $100 and be completely transparent to the end user. So the government gets the same amount of money it is intended, and the average American does not have to deal with the IRS each spring!

    I don’t know what you are doing that you do not file for income tax, nor pay it, but for those of us paying your share we have between 25% and 59% of our income removed from our paychecks before they even hit our direct deposit. Giving every patrolled employee in America that kind of raise would be an instant boom to the economy. (not to mention that I wouldn’t have to shell out several hundred dollars each spring to my accountant to figure out the often conflicting tax code for me.)

    “Tax Honesty is the real solution. As of 2005, former IRS Fraud Examiner Sherry Jackson (now a Tax Honesty spokeswoman) estimated that there were 67 million non-filers in America. That means one out of three people you pass in the market today is a non-filer.”

    Then why not allow everyone to not file, and just let the market collect and send the taxes to the government and nobody has to worry about it?

    One consequence of the highly complicated tax structure we live under today is that it encourages people to seek tax shelters, or even just not bother paying it. You mention non filers, but unless these people are in cash-only businesses they are still having their taxes deducted from their paycheck. It is very likely that they are not getting their deserved refund. That just means that these people have decided that figuring out tax law is not worth the time and frustration of getting a few hundred dollars back each spring.

    “The truth: there’s no limit to the damage a national sales tax would do to America.”

    Nobody said that this was not the case.

    Should legislative leaders seek to impose a 40% or 50% sales tax that would be devastating to any economy, even one that does not pay income tax. For that we must keep the pressure on our legislature to prevent it from happening.

    The Fair Tax only seeks to remove a terrible system in favor of a less terrible system. And that system is specifically defined as the IRS. The Fair Tax does not curb the “spend spend spend” mentality in congress. That, my friend, is up to you and I and every American to keep watch on our elected officials and keep them honest. Reckless spending is another issue all together and that must be stopped. However that is not the stated purpose of the Fair Tax nor is it the responsibility thereof.

    You gave me a website to search: ‘Tax Honesty Primer’. In the interest of fair discussion I ask you to visit http://www.fairtax.org for further reading on what I have written here today. I will look up your web site as well.

    In closing; income tax in an encroachment on freedom. And Freedom is not something that comes from government it comes from God (or the higher power of your choice). I believe that God wants us to be free. Much like how the Bible says that when you obey God’s will good things happen, Economic law works much the same way. When societies obey Economic law they are prosperous. Limited taxation is a key to prosperity. Therefore I cannot believe that God did not himself create the laws of Economics.

    God bless you my friend and God Bless America!

  • .
    The Tax Fairy Must Die

    There are perhaps 160 members on the FairTax site, and only 106 on this site, as of today. That hardly means that the FairyTax is a good idea.

    Chances are that whether you love the FairyTax or not, you don’t know tax law. You’ve almost certainly never held a copy of the Tax Code in your hands, much less ever read it. You believe whatever the tax industry tells you the law says, although you know the tax industry depends on the IRS skimming your checks, for their career to continue. That is classic conflict of interest; you MUST do your own due diligence, if you’re ever to know the truth.

    The FairTax is a bailout scam to end all bailout scams. PLEASE Google ‘Tax Honesty Primer’ and do your homework before falling for the FairyTax Trojan horse.

    Out of the estimated 67 million non-filers in America, the tens of millions of us who are law-abiding Nontaxpayers already treat April 15th as just another day on the calendar. We already keep 100% of what we earn. Why would we want a 30-35% sales tax on everything we buy?

    In almost five weeks, not one supporter of the FairyTax has yet been able to answer that. We know that you think paying a 30% sales tax is a great idea compared to IRS terrorism; but can you demonstrate why the FairyTax is preferable to Tax Honesty?

    No. Face it, you don’t know much about the FairyTax; you’re just sick of being a terror victim of the IRS. The corrupt Congress is pulling a good cop-bad cop scam so you’ll believe that the big, bad IRS will soon be history. Help is on the way: “She’s everything that’s good. Nothing bad; no downside! No more IRS…you’ll be free at last!!”

    Sure. they’re from the government. They’re here to help you.

    Congress has a 9% approval rating, yet the Taxspenders have the chutzpah to try to convince Taxpayers that their Trojan Horse is truly a gift. The truth: there’s no limit to the damage a national sales tax would do to America. Ask any European; it’s a socialist black hole.

    If you doubt that this Congress and administration prefer socialism, turn on the news, please.

    Tax Honesty is the real solution. As of 2005, former IRS Fraud Examiner Sherry Jackson (now a Tax Honesty spokeswoman) estimated that there were 67 million non-filers in America. That means one out of three people you pass in the market today is a non-filer.

    The tax debate is a civil war of ideals and gullibility: Taxpayers who stay in the ’fair share’ line will carry an increasingly heavy burden as millions more Nontaxpayers perform due diligence and walk away. Taxpayers will become increasingly envious of those who are free.

    Envy is the engine that drives all socialist systems. The corrupt “public servants” continue to live like Arab sheiks and crowned heads, while pushing the productive masses ever-harder. Congress is used to opulent lifestyles; they need to keep that $3.6 trillion coming in every year, so they’ve pitched the FairyTax every year for the past decade.

    Because most Americans aren’t buying, they’ve begun to recruit people in the Tea Party movement to push their Plan B at these rallies; a classic Trojan Horse scheme. You’ve seen me challenge everyone who has introduced the FairyTax on this website, and none of its (three, so far) proponents has defended it, or compared it to Tax Honesty. They rant at me, make bogus personal attacks, and storm off, having never made one solid point in defense of the FairyTax, or against Tax Honesty.
    They just know that the ’FairTax’ scheme sounds better than the IRS terrorism and workload they know now (or so they’re led to believe).

    If you support the FairyTax, I ask you to explain, please, why you support a national sales tax instead of Tax Honesty. Tax Honesty is simple: if you don’t owe an income tax per the written Tax Code (regardless what the tax industry tells you) then you don’t file or pay. No, you don’t violate the Tax Code, but don’t just file things you don’t understand without seeing if the Tax Code even requires it.
    No, I’m not talking about Willie Nelson or Leona Helmsley or anyone who follows wacky theories, and I don’t support violating law…even if you work for the IRS, you must obey law.

    It isn’t rocket science. It’s what millions of us law-abiding non-filers are already doing: not violating tax law, and not letting Congress or IRS violate tax laws, either. For us, April 15th is just another day. We’re not taking the Tax Fairy’s dust on our heads.

    Google “Tax Honesty Primer”; go to that site and read what the US Supreme Court has ruled for over a century. Read what countless juries decided when they acquitted Tax Honesty proponents. Read what the Internal Revenue Code and Internal Revenue Manual really say; more importantly, what they DON’T say.

    Go to the site linked there (”The Tax Code For All”); it teaches you the mere 124 lines out of the entire 9,800-page Tax Code that you need to highlight to prove beyond reasonable doubt: you never had a duty to keep records, file forms, or let them skim your checks.

    Yes, you’ve been defrauded your entire working life by your corrupt public ‘servants’. But face it, you’re not surprised; the 9% approval rating for Congress is what the Tea Party Movement is all about. Tens of millions of Americans have known for a long time that corruption rules Washington, D.C.; we’re not going to take it anymore. This is no “tax revolt”; it’s citizen law enforcement and lawful self-government, at long last.

    After you buy a $108 single-volume Tax Code, I also recommend three other books:

    Constitutional Income: Do You Have Any? by former Idaho Congressman Phil Hart, takes the reader through facsimile copies of newspaper clippings, congressional memos, and floor speeches and debate from the Congressional Record, 1909-1913. It exposes how openly corrupt Congress was when they pulled off the IRS scam.

    Breach of Trust: How Washington Turns Outsiders Into Insiders is an expose of the deep, systemic corruption on Capitol Hill, by former Congressman Tom Coburn.

    Unaccountable: How the Accounting Profession Forfeited a Public Trust by Mike Brewster is a history of accounting from ancient Sumeria and Babylon through the modern ’Big Eight’ scandals and the profession’s slide into gross corruption.

    You won’t get any of these facts of life in the government schools or universities. Today, it’s up to the People ourselves to dig up the truth about the largest financial fraud in human history. Congress is a R.I.C.O. organization, financially supported by gullible, terrorized Taxpayers.

    The 67 million of us who do not pay income taxes (for whatever reason) can’t afford for Taxpayers to lay a 35% sales tax on our backs just because you haven’t yet performed due diligence. The Tax Honesty Movement has turned off the supply valve to D.C. corruption and it’s vital to our future that we keep that valve turned off; in fact, that more Americans learn Tax Honesty and shrink the illicit Leviathan very directly by cutting its revenues. It’s the only sure way to shrink government.

    The AmericaAgain! Project plans to carry citizen checks-and-balances to another level; to start putting our members of Congress in State Prison when they wilfully violate law. We plan to stand by that supply valve to make sure it remains closed; to finally see federal government shrink to its lawful, enumerated powers stipulated in the Constitution.

    There’s nothing wrong with the Internal Revenue Code, and we don’t need to abolish the IRS; just obey the law, tell the truth, and make sure your employees at IRS and your ’public servants’ in Congress do the same.

    We’re a free people with a Rule of Law. We don’t need the corrupt politicians’ Plan B. Don’t listen to prating fools who come here, attack me personally, bluster a bit, and leave in a huff. If they had a game, they’d engage me here and we’d have a decent debate. In the past month, not one FairyTax supporter has laid down one factual point against Tax Honesty, and that’s what 67 million of us have chosen. April 15th is just another day.

    If you don’t know that yet, then you have work to do as a free, literate citizen. If you feel like a slave, you yourself forge the bars of your mental cage, for in fact we Americans have as much liberty today as ever in history. Almost every political war now waging is tied to those $3.6 trillion in annual revenues. Once you’re not paying your “fair share” of that crime, you’re on the right side of American history.
    Don’t listen to claims that Tax Honesty is “illegal”, until you corroborate the claims of BOTH sides through independent research.

    The Tax Honesty Primer is a free website, and the single-volume Tax Code is under $110. Now you can’t say you haven’t been given enough information to know the truth; you can only say you’re too terrorised by your employees – or too busy with other things, or too lazy – to do anything about it. But the day we allow a national sales tax to descend on the back of America, is the day we choose true slavery, for good.

    The Tax Fairy must die.

  • .
    MOTHER: Snooks, sweetheart…why are you curled into that strange position at the head of your crib?

    BABY SNOOKS: Oh hi, Mommy. Good night; I hope you sleep well.

    MOTHER: Snooks, please sit up straight. I need a kiss, and you haven’t brushed your teeth or said your prayers. What…what is that under your hair, honey?

    BABY SNOOKS: A glue board. Like Daddy uses for little mice.

    MOTHER: Oh, my goodness, Baby Snooks! Now I have to cut off all your beautiful hair! What on earth possessed you to bring a glue board into your crib, sweetheart?

    BABY SNOOKS: The Tax Fairy. It was just in case, for the Tax Fairy.

    MOTHER: Snooks, dear…how many times do I have to tell you, the FairyTax is just a figment of Mr. Boor’s imagination, for his radio show? There is no FairyTax, and the Tax Fairy never did exist, honey! (Snip…snip…snip…) Oh, my goodness…your beautiful hair, Snooks. Look at you now…I’m heartbroken.

    BABY SNOOKS: I’m sorry, Mommy. It will grow back, right, Mommy? Plus now I can be scary, and keep the Tax Fairy from biting me.

    MOTHER: Oh, Baby Snooks, please stop with the Tax Fairy, honey. She’s not real.

    BABY SNOOKS: Okay. I like my new short hair anyway. G’night, Mommy.

    MOTHER: Sigh. Good night, Baby Snooks.